#25 Why VMware Tanzu if there are soooo many open source choices?

You're a pretty small organization. On the extreme end, like I often cite like, if you think about like JP Morgan Chase, they have, I don't know, last time I looked like 25,000 developers globally. And so like, you know, you're not going to get a hundred developers to agree what to do, let alone like 25,000. And however, right? Like, so you don't want to be all dismissive of bottoms up stuff. Cause like a lot of the time, well, I would say all of the time when you're changing an organization, you're asking all those individuals to change, right? So they need to be willing and be interested in it. And also like you need them to figure out what to do day to day. So they have to be behind it and that has to be effective.

Names mentioned. That said, I think there's a mindset shift that you were highlighting that I really liked that I haven't thought about this way exactly that you have to go through and that is that probably forever, but at least for a long time, the infrastructure people need to think about freeing up their time, right? And they almost need to think if we are spending a lot of time as people would say, you were saying firefighting, right? Like and just like

However, you can learn what you're doing. And so you need to structure it and set it up so that you can learn and figure out the way to go about doing things. As you were kind of saying, Names mentioned. Names mentioned We can and do certainly go over that as a start for how to do things. But the real important thing is like again in that first year, but then also ongoing, like figuring out how do you take that textbook, if you will, right?